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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 7:31:03 GMT
The Stalemate bit itself, This part, clear up this part. I'd say Stalemate at the long run of things, most likely in the form of Mutually Assured Destruction being the most obvious form.
I also suspect another possible way to indirectly affect Frodo, but it has something to do with the fact the Ring itself is more or less an Avatar of Jackassitude, that even if the wearer(s) in question doesn't wind up a Jackass themselves, its gonna do a number on their Psyche one way or another.(Obvious side-effect, I'm sure there's more Side-effects than just that one, but I'm not sure if I can recall them all.)
The problem with said way, is more or less that its reliability is halved, as in 'The Torso is separated from the Legs' kind of halved. |
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Post by silverstarcross on Dec 13, 2013 7:38:26 GMT
The Stalemate bit itself, This part, clear up this part. I'd say Stalemate at the long run of things, most likely in the form of Mutually Assured Destruction being the most obvious form.
I also suspect another possible way to indirectly affect Frodo, but it has something to do with the fact the Ring itself is more or less an Avatar of Jackassitude, that even if the wearer(s) in question doesn't wind up a Jackass themselves, its gonna do a number on their Psyche one way or another.(Obvious side-effect, I'm sure there's more Side-effects than just that one, but I'm not sure if I can recall them all.)
The problem with said way, is more or less that its reliability is halved, as in 'The Torso is separated from the Legs' kind of halved. The middle part, I'll have to explain that bit, then. I seem to have a recollection of a few instances when Harry's default wand had a reaction against Malevolent Jackasses, specifically during that one incident during the 7 Potters escape from The Deathly Hallows, when Voldemort arrived. That part is halved, because half of it stemmed from the Wand developing a form of sentience, and the other half stemmed from Lucius's wand being used by Voldemort despite it not belonging to him. Meaning, its possible for the Wand to detect anything evil or bad, but without the other half, outright Auto-hitting and Bonus Damage can't be done at the same time, as its most likely to be one or the other in play. Frodo himself isn't Malevolent, the Ring however is. ___ Does that make sense? |
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 7:51:56 GMT
Ok now my interpretation of that was that Harry's wand "responded" the way it did because it was responding to Voldemort. I don't remember it reacting to any other evil being, just him. So that point may be moot. But yea, so far I haven't really seen anything thing that says its an evil detector, and by you own words, even if it was, it would only give Potter a vague feeling of where he is, Frodo could be sitting on a branch right above Potter and the wizard not even know it until the Hobbit strikes.
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Post by silverstarcross on Dec 13, 2013 8:04:35 GMT
I never said it was an Auto-win card, its just another form of consideration to note, despite the fact that Frodo himself isn't malevolent and the Ring however is.
I'll mostly have a lot of work cut out for me to do on tomorrow, I'm sure so the next part will be to find alternate methods of approaches for how to tackle this problem.
I'll probably be in this part for a while, that's for sure.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Dec 13, 2013 8:16:21 GMT
Okay, just to clarify some things, as I totes forgot to check up when this began.
This is Ring Bearer Frodo, to which I was meaning Fellowship Frodo. He reaches Amon Hen, and believes Harry to be a servant of the Dark Lord, so he will kill, but maybe not straight off. He has all the stuff he has up to that point in the film I.e Sting and his Elven Cloak. He'll use the ring to hide, such as he did against Boromir.
Harry is end of the film (before the epilogue) so no Elder Wand. But all his knowledge, experience and battle hardiness in play. He believes Frodo to be a dark magical servant to Voldermort who, naturally, is trying to kill him.
I toyed with the idea of allowing Harry his invis cloak... but then it'd just be two invis people wandering around.
Also the ring is a part of Suaron and very dark magic, is Harry unable to detect dark magic? Trying to make this fair.
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 8:17:14 GMT
I never said it was an Auto-win card, its just another form of consideration to note, despite the fact that Frodo himself isn't malevolent and the Ring however is. I'll mostly have a lot of work cut out for me to do on tomorrow, I'm sure so the next part will be to find alternate methods of approaches for how to tackle this problem. I'll probably be in this part for a while, that's for sure. The point I was trying to make is that the wand was responding to the Presence of Vouldimort. Ok let me explain it this way. Say you have a dog who can only smell one thing ( one specific house cant with a bald spot on his right ear) then you take that dog and tell him to find a tom cat in an ally, He wont be able to find it because he can only smell that one specific cat. Im saying the wand only acts warns Harry of Voldy, you could have satain himself standing in the next room, but unless he is a bold man with no nose, then the wand wont do alert anybody. |
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 8:20:59 GMT
Okay, just to clarify some things, as I totes forgot to check up when this began. This is Ring Bearer Frodo, to which I was meaning Fellowship Frodo. He reaches Amon Hen, and believes Harry to be a servant of the Dark Lord, so he will kill, but maybe not straight off. He has all the stuff he has up to that point in the film I.e Sting and his Elven Cloak. He'll use the ring to hide, such as he did against Boromir. Harry is end of the film (before the epilogue) so no Elder Wand. But all his knowledge, experience and battle hardiness in play. He believes Frodo to be a dark magical servant to Voldermort who, naturally, is trying to kill him. I toyed with the idea of allowing Harry his invis cloak... but then it'd just be two invis people wandering around. Also the ring is a part of Suaron and very dark magic, is Harry unable to detect dark magic? Trying to make this fair. that part is what me and cross are debating about. Cross says it will "tingle" or something because the wand is broken and cant pinpoint it exactly like it did with Voldy. I'm making the point that I have never seen anything that says it CAN detect dark magic other than Voldy. Say you have Voldy behind door number one and .....evil wizard lord guy behind door number two. the wand will tingle in door number ones direction because it is responding to voldy. |
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Dec 13, 2013 8:24:53 GMT
Is it the scene in the old house with the woman who turns out to be the snake?
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 8:25:51 GMT
Is it the scene in the old house with the woman who turns out to be the snake? Which was that again? |
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Dec 13, 2013 8:31:56 GMT
Where they're in Little something. They're looking for info about a guy, or his parents?
They meet an old woman in the street, someone you hear more about in the book I think. She takes them in a house, while they're exploring upstairs, uh oh she's actually dead and it was Voldys snake all along!
Though I thought his Scar alerted him more than his wand.
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 8:36:07 GMT
Where they're in Little something. They're looking for info about a guy, or his parents? They meet an old woman in the street, someone you hear more about in the book I think. She takes them in a house, while they're exploring upstairs, uh oh she's actually dead and it was Voldys snake all along! Though I thought his Scar alerted him more than his wand. Key word, it was " Voldy's" snake. Would it have alerted him if it would have been a snake of some other dark wizard lord. |
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Post by silverstarcross on Dec 13, 2013 16:31:03 GMT
There isn't anything that would be enough to say a yes or no to the question, mostly due to the fact the only Dark Lord Harry ever got the chance to fight against was Voldemort, himself.
Its the toss of the coin with this one, not an impossibility for Harry's Holly Wand to start the buzzing, its not out of the question it might not pick it up in time, either.
Hmm, how often does Frodo have to take off the Ring for the sake of his sanity, after he wears it?
Note to self:
If nothing else, this will give the Old-Owl Rowling a fine list of questions she would do well to address and tackle, a lot of these questions are actually good to ask.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Dec 13, 2013 16:42:08 GMT
Harry's wand reacted to Voldemorts wand because of the wands being twins with each other.
Harry's scar only reacted to Voldemort and Nagini because Harry had a piece of Voldemorts soul stuck inside him....that was a major plot point to why Potter couldn't win until he sacrificed. Without the soul piece his scar no longer burned at Voldemorts presence.
Aside from that Potter has never shown the ability to sense dark magic, only Voldemorts soul.
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Post by silverstarcross on Dec 13, 2013 16:44:31 GMT
Harry's wand reacted to Voldemort's wand because of the wands being twins with each other. Harry's scar only reacted to Voldemort and Nagini because Harry had a piece of Voldemort's soul stuck inside him....that was a major plot point to why Potter couldn't win until he sacrificed. Without the soul piece his scar no longer burned at Voldemort's presence. Aside from that Potter has never shown the ability to sense dark magic, only Voldemort's soul. Potter himself didn't, for some reason or another. :/ I lost count of how many questions should be provided on that list. But the instances I mentioned didn't involve Voldemort's original wand, actually. ___ Back to the matter of the Ring itself, does Frodo need to take the ring off his hands every now and then? |
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 13, 2013 16:45:17 GMT
There isn't anything that would be enough to say a yes or no to the question, mostly due to the fact the only Dark Lord Harry ever got the chance to fight against was Voldemort, himself. Its the toss of the coin with this one, not an impossibility for Harry's Holly Wand to start the buzzing, its not out of the question it might not pick it up in time, either. Hmm, how often does Frodo have to take off the Ring for the sake of his sanity, after he wears it?Note to self: If nothing else, this will give the Old-Owl Rowling a fine list of questions she would do well to address and tackle, a lot of these questions are actually good to ask. Well, it would be influencing him the entire time; however, if you are asking when he will go all gollum, that stage of insanity takes years. The first signs of insanity appear around a week or two of, if wearing it the hole time, or a few months if not wearing it. Times vary from wearer to wearer, but that that I listed seems to be an average. |
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