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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Aug 31, 2013 21:41:20 GMT
It's a shit situation, as usual in these days.
The UN is impotent, and the States are in no condition to get mired up in another ground campaign with Guerrilla combatants. Vietnam showed that we don't do so well when we can't simply overpower a direct enemy; and the conflict also did a lot to weary a lot of the citizenry to the idea of War. The WTC attacks got us ripping and rarin' to go kill something, and those conflicts have had a bit of the opposite effect on our economy than what the second World War did.
Recovery from the recession is slow and shaky, and more war is hardly sweet sounding to the average American's tongue. But something does have to happen; it shouldn't be the world's policy to sit idly by while Civilians suffer and die. If somebody has to raise the hammer, and use the threat of it falling to end the atrocities, then somebody has to raise the hammer.
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Post by Mister Teal-Rule Abider on Aug 31, 2013 21:41:44 GMT
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Post by silverstarcross on Aug 31, 2013 21:43:30 GMT
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Post by silverstarcross on Aug 31, 2013 21:44:30 GMT
It's a shit situation, as usual in these days. The UN is impotent, and the States are in no condition to get mired up in another ground campaign with Guerrilla combatants. Vietnam showed that we don't do so well when we can't simply overpower a direct enemy; and the conflict also did a lot to weary a lot of the citizenry to the idea of War. The WTC attacks got us ripping and rarin' to go kill something, and those conflicts have had a bit of the opposite effect on our economy than what the second World War did. Recovery from the recession is slow and shaky, and more war is hardly sweet sounding to the average American's tongue. But something does have to happen; it shouldn't be the world's policy to sit idly by while Civilians suffer and die. If somebody has to raise the hammer, and use the threat of it falling to end the atrocities, then somebody has to raise the hammer. A select few nations in the UN* are gonna have to take matters into their own hands and deal with this matter quickly. Question is, which nations must be the ones to do this and why? 1.) (Not necessarily including the U.S, obviously!)
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Aug 31, 2013 21:46:57 GMT
Cross, I've studied WW2 Intensively. But you're right, for another place.
Behemoth.
At least you understand the limp body the UN is. Like Lybia, it would not be an out right campaign. As I said originally, it was a shock that Cameron turned a blind eye, so to speak.
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Aug 31, 2013 21:49:14 GMT
Problem is the whole fuckin' planet is in a fairly shitty place, economically and politically. The world powers are hesitant to act because the wrong move could bring down hell from political enemies and even allies, and like our grotesque fuckup in Afghanistan, dealing with a situation improperly might even galvanize affected populaces into hostile insurgencies.
Nobody really has the economic surety and political environment to risk the possibilities of a direct campaign, or the clout to strongarm other countries into assisting with any movements.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Aug 31, 2013 21:50:19 GMT
@cross As Ruliya said WW2's causes are far more convoluted then most people think. It all goes back to the Treaty of Versailles with the various sanctions placed on Germany which led to it's bankruptcy and the conditions which allowed the Nazi Party to promise to take Germany back to it's former glory as the wealthiest (or perhaps second depending on who you talk to) nation in the world and to expand Germany into the "glorious empire it was meant to be". There was also the fact that when land was being divided up after WW1 China received a lot of colonial lands while Japan was left with nothing and...well they got jealous to say the least, setting them up to want to team up to take the territories of those who...they felt didn't deserve said territories...that's a very rough summary of it and not even all the causes really though. Suffice to say there was far more motivation behind WW2 then Nazi hatemongers.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Aug 31, 2013 21:52:14 GMT
Lady RuliyaI'm in a WW2 class in college right now, and studied it a while back. I was surprised to say the least when public schools teach....a very propagandaish version of what happened and that the causes of WW2 and the motivations were far deeper then what I had previously been taught.
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Aug 31, 2013 21:53:30 GMT
The only reason Hitler could have obtained the power he did is because the German people were fucking desperate. And like the starving people they were, when this charismatic sonnuvabitch comes along, fire and thunder and all the confidence in the world, promising unity and prosperity, the people ate that shit up.
He actually did what he promised for a large part, it's just the unfortunate hand fate dealt us that the guy was not only a wonderful demagogue, but also completely and entirely fucking evil.
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Post by silverstarcross on Aug 31, 2013 21:54:46 GMT
@cross As Ruliya said WW2's causes are far more convoluted then most people think. It all goes back to the Treaty of Versailles with the various sanctions placed on Germany which led to it's bankruptcy and the conditions which allowed the Nazi Party to promise to take Germany back to it's former glory as the wealthiest (or perhaps second depending on who you talk to) nation in the world and to expand Germany into the "glorious empire it was meant to be". There was also the fact that when land was being divided up after WW1 China received a lot of colonial lands while Japan was left with nothing and...well they got jealous to say the least, setting them up to want to team up to take the territories of those who...they felt didn't deserve said territories...that's a very rough summary of it and not even all the causes really though. Suffice to say there was far more motivation behind WW2 then Nazi hatemongers. Well as I agreed before, its best to take the matter to another thread, like that one the Agent brought in. Not all Mercenary companies can be done to get the job well as some of them might make matters worse than they already are, either.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Aug 31, 2013 21:57:12 GMT
but yeah WW1 and WW2 can be discussed on another thread.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Aug 31, 2013 21:58:27 GMT
The whole WW2 Thing should, as Cross says, be on its own thread.
Also, can't reply as I'm out, as I could
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Post by silverstarcross on Aug 31, 2013 21:59:04 GMT
The only reason Hitler could have obtained the power he did is because the German people were fucking desperate. And like the starving people they were, when this charismatic sonnuvabitch comes along, fire and thunder and all the confidence in the world, promising unity and prosperity, the people ate that shit up. He actually did what he promised for a large part, it's just the unfortunate hand fate dealt us that the guy was not only a wonderful demagogue, but also completely and entirely fucking evil. It sounds like the same kind of situation I've been used to hearing about. Its all too familiar to me to say the least. If there was a nasty and cruel deconstruction of a 'Benevolent' Dictator, that guy was it, or at least one of these cases really. No wonder why you don't hear about any 'Benevolent'*-flavored Dictatorships at work if anything.* 1.) (Those cases are debatable!) 2.) (Along with other reasons!)
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Aug 31, 2013 21:59:07 GMT
And also around this time, Benito Mussolini was getting around with creating the foundations of Fascism. So naturally he and Hitler got on quite swimmingly.
The scary part is thinking that Stalin was far closer to jumping on the Axis Train than any person should feel comfortable with.
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Post by silverstarcross on Aug 31, 2013 21:59:59 GMT
Problem is the whole fuckin' planet is in a fairly shitty place, economically and politically. The world powers are hesitant to act because the wrong move could bring down hell from political enemies and even allies, and like our grotesque fuckup in Afghanistan, dealing with a situation improperly might even galvanize affected populaces into hostile insurgencies. Nobody really has the economic surety and political environment to risk the possibilities of a direct campaign, or the clout to strongarm other countries into assisting with any movements. I already stated my thoughts on why not all Mercenary companies can be trusted to take care of the matter, and with good reason, did I not?
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