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Post by SgCombine on Jan 4, 2014 3:20:35 GMT
Also I read something about the Elites actual fleet, not the covenant fleet but the Elite's own ships (since the Covenant is similar to the Alliance in that it's multiple races/groups) only numbered in the hundreds? If so aren't they kind of outnumbered by the Turian Fleet? Actually the only race that was allowed to command warships was the Elites. Jackals mostly had lightly armed merchant/recon ships, and the Brutes weren't allowed to have large numbers of warships until near the end of the war. A close estimate for the Elite's fleet size based on their loses during the war would be around 1500-2000 ships. These are the fleets we actually have some numbers for. Pretty much all the listed fleets below were destroyed by the end of the war except for the Fleet of Retribution. Post Halo 3 Elite factions probably have no more than a hundred or so Elite owned ships going by how scarce they are in the new novels, most seemed to have been stolen by Jackals. Combined Fleet of Righteous Purpose: Over 200 ships Fleet of Particular Justice: 315 ships Fleet of Retribution: 12 ships Fleet of Righteous Vigilance: around 20 ships Fleet of Sacred Consecration: 15 ships (2 of which were Assault Carriers) Fleet of Valiant Prudence: At least 6 ships (1 of which was a Super Carrier) Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity: Hundreds of carriers and cruisers (One of the largest fleets, though some of them were Brute owned) Third Fleet of Glorious Consequence: 13 ships (1 assault carrier) Truth's fleet: Over 500 ships Keep in mind, these above fleets are only the ones that were mentioned and given a number so it's probably low end. |
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Post by SgCombine on Jan 4, 2014 3:23:44 GMT
I'm curious is a 50 caliber quite a bit more powerful than a 14.5 mm? I would assume so but sometimes it's hard to know. A .50 bmg is 12.7x99mm compared to a 14.5x116mm. The 14.5mm was an anti-tank round in WWII. The .50 bmg is not just smaller, but has a much slower muzzle velocity since the UNSC sniper fires a Sabot round. It also has almost twice the kinect energy behind it, so yeah, it's quiet a bit more powerful. Downside is the ammo is bigger so less rounds. |
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Post by Knukails on Jan 4, 2014 3:27:17 GMT
SgCombine - Yay the Sangheili expert is here.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 3:28:29 GMT
Well a head shot or the right spot on the legs/arms would obviously, more than likely anyway since it would pass through Kinetic Barriers. But I was referring to the heavier armor over the torso that deflected similar caliber weaponry multiple shots.
I doubt trying to recreate your weapons to shoot a different style of ammo..salvaging parts to make ammo is one thing but that's basically trying to convert a shotgun to effectively shoot a .223.
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Post by SgCombine on Jan 4, 2014 3:38:32 GMT
Well a head shot or the right spot on the legs/arms would obviously, more than likely anyway since it would pass through Kinetic Barriers. But I was referring to the heavier armor over the torso that deflected similar caliber weaponry multiple shots. I can't say, there isn't really any out of game feats for the Particle Beam Rifle. However, why exactly would they aim at the area where the most armor is at? They'd probably aim for the head, like that one Elite did in Halo Reach. Head-shotted a Spartan |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 3:44:29 GMT
So the Elite sniper rifle is stronger than the assault rifles of the Turians which are stronger than their Elite equivalents. And Turian Sniper Rifles...well they completely explode a target so safe to say they pack a bigger punch I suppose.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 3:45:27 GMT
SgCombineI was thinking an if the Turians make a push and get in closer quarters where center mass shots may be all they can line up before they get gunned down.
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Post by Knukails on Jan 4, 2014 3:47:18 GMT
SgCombineI was thinking an if the Turians make a push and get in closer quarters where center mass shots may be all they can line up before they get gunned down. The Sangheili Would ignite their swords in CQC |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 3:53:46 GMT
I meant more shotgun/pistol range.
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Post by SgCombine on Jan 4, 2014 3:53:56 GMT
SgCombineI was thinking an if the Turians make a push and get in closer quarters where center mass shots may be all they can line up before they get gunned down. Yeah CQC is the last thing they want to do against the Sangheili. As it is they have a range advantage. Any non-biotic (which is the vast majority, biotics are rare in any race aside from the Asari) that tries to fight an Elite is going to be at a disadvantage since the Elite's sword is 4+ feet long. Omni blades are about a foot and half, if not shorter. |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 3:55:44 GMT
True but the pistols and shotguns are what I meant.
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Post by Knukails on Jan 4, 2014 3:55:55 GMT
SgCombineI was thinking an if the Turians make a push and get in closer quarters where center mass shots may be all they can line up before they get gunned down. Yeah CQC is the last thing they want to do against the Sangheili. As it is they have a range advantage. Any non-biotic (which is the vast majority, biotics are rare in any race aside from the Asari) that tries to fight an Elite is going to be at a disadvantage since the Elite's sword is 4+ feet long. Omni blades are about a foot and half, if not shorter. Not to mention the Sangheili are very good with their swords. |
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Post by Knukails on Jan 4, 2014 3:56:40 GMT
True but the pistols and shotguns are what I meant. The Plasma pistol but like we said That range is Sword time for Sangheili. |
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Post by SgCombine on Jan 4, 2014 3:57:18 GMT
I meant more shotgun/pistol range. In that case, we're back to "no canonical feats for Particle Beam Rifle outside of its name". We know it fires particle beams and we know particle beams ignore kinetic barriers in ME, what it'll do to the armor is anyone's guess, though I personally think it should get through even that part. I'm curious though, wasn't there a cutscene where a Turian or Krogran was shot in the chest and died from a pistol? I vaguely remember something like that in Omega in ME 2. |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Jan 4, 2014 4:07:31 GMT
SgCombineThere are some confusing cutscenes sometimes where characters seem to have no shields or get one shotted even though by all means they should laugh it off, there are a couple times it's reasonable, Saren put his gun close enough it was technically inside the Kinetic Barrier so the bullet didn't have to go through it. Though Turians can depend on if their helmets are up or not, helmet up and full shields Garrus survived with injuries a gunship missile to the face, his armor was damaged and his face messed up but...still impressive for the shields to absorb that much of the damage. If it was a Krogan I don't know, even Thane recommends the best way to kill a Krogan is bomb it to hell so...your guess is as good as mine.
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