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Post by Lady Ruliya on Aug 19, 2013 20:33:06 GMT
Well they didn't exactly get rid of general order 24 so far as I know. It was just never brought up again. Presumably the Galaxy can do it too, for feats of that, see Aelfinns calcs of The Die is Cast episode ;P
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Post by dassadec on Aug 19, 2013 20:37:49 GMT
Well they didn't exactly get rid of general order 24 so far as I know. It was just never brought up again. Presumably the Galaxy can do it too, for feats of that, see Aelfinns calcs of The Die is Cast episode ;P - I prefer his calc for the xindi probe incident in Enterprise as a benchmark for TNG firepower. Far more reliable visuals. And from a time 80-100 years before kirks era from a now federation race |
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Aug 19, 2013 20:40:21 GMT
I worked out some weapon feats based on VOY dialogue. No one ever listens to me though ;P
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Aug 19, 2013 20:47:15 GMT
I stay away from calcs myself, I can't figure that kind of stuff out.
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Post by shadowknight on Aug 19, 2013 20:51:22 GMT
I stay away from calcs myself, I can't figure that kind of stuff out. Yea, all the calcs just confuse me. |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Aug 19, 2013 20:53:17 GMT
I can understand the numbers they get but I can't replicate the process on my own for anything. One time I tried to do a calc it was for ship numbers of the Galactic Empire based on fleet sizes and number of sectors with how many fleets each sector had and the number was well into the millions for ISD's.
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Post by dassadec on Aug 19, 2013 21:10:58 GMT
I worked out some weapon feats based on VOY dialogue. No one ever listens to me though ;P - Shoot me the calc you had, ill check it out. - @ga, millions of ISDs doesn't really surprise me, considering the sheer size of the Ge's control. Similar numbers are stated in Voyager "millions of Cubes"chakotay said of the Borg. And they only occupied about half of the delta quadrant. |
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Post by dassadec on Aug 19, 2013 21:12:38 GMT
I stay away from calcs myself, I can't figure that kind of stuff out. Yea, all the calcs just confuse me. - As long as it doesn't get too deep into high level physics I like taking cracks at calcs. Well basic ones at least |
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Aug 19, 2013 21:21:00 GMT
I'll just copy my whole post from Factpile:
"In VOY S2E17:Dreadnought, the Cardassians developed a self guided tactical missile with some powerful defensive measures. The interesting part is Chakotay saying the thing carried 1,000 Kilo’s of matter and 1,000 kilo’s of antimatter, or “Enough to destroy a small moon” as Tuvok states. Since he’s a Vulcan I doubt it’s hyperbole, you know Vulcans.
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That’s 42,960 megatons of destructive force.
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In VOY S4E21: The Omega Directive, Tuvok and Kim are retrofitting a torpedo with a gravimetric charge to deal with the Omega Particles.
Kim: This looks like enough for a 50 Isoton explosion.
Tuvok: 54 to be exact.
Kim: [he whistles incredulously] What are we planning to do, blow up a small planet?
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Even if 54 is to assumed to be Hyperbole, the Dreadnought could “destroy a small moon” where as this torpedo might blow up a small planet. A few moments later Janeway asks them to make it 80 Isotons anyway.
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In VOY S4E01: Scorpion pt 2, Seven of Nine reads out Voyagers weapons compliment including 32 photon torpedoes with a 200 Isoton yield each.
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In DS9 S6E01: A Time to Stand, Sisko beamed a 90 isoton bomb of enriched ultritium which had an explosion radius of 800 kilometers. And that’s in space, considering they destroyed a small asteroid facility.
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If 54 can blow up a small planet, imagine what standard Mark VI’s could do at full yield. According to what is said about Dreadnought, we could extrapolate that it had a roughly 50 isoton yield. So a 200 isoton yield would be 4 times that, equating to about 171,840 megatons of destructive force.Quantum Torpedoes are said to be almost twice as powerful and Tricolbolt devices even more so. At the end of Voyager, in Endgame Voyager gets Transphasic Torpedoes and advanced Ablative armour technology, which Starfleet would be able to adapt once Voyager was home.
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The Breen also produced an energy dissipator weapon also known as the energy-dampening weapon, which acts like the Ion Cannon’s in SW, effectively completely disabling a ship. This was used to devastation effect in the Dominion war."
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Post by dassadec on Aug 19, 2013 23:53:32 GMT
You make a fairly good case to set the power of 100 Isoton standard Photon torpedoes as small moonbusters at the very least and at the very least capable of busting our moon at the 200Isoton Range.
90 Isotons at a 800m radius? ends up 1600km diameter or 994.194Miles
A fireball that size is nearly as big as our moon(2,159.2 miles in diameter) so you definitely have grounds for calling a 200Isoton weapon a Moonbuster or at the very least make an explosion big enough to encompass a moon the size of ours.
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