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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 20:58:21 GMT
I think absolutely everything is completely devoid of meaning or purpose excepting those you choose to apply to them. For exemple I think life is merely a biochemical accident and thus has no purpose, but I don't kill myself because I chose to apply a personal purpose to my own life, namely having fun and being happy. And I don't see the lives of others to be important unless they have to do with either my entertainment or my happiness. To clarify I don't regard other people as useless objects, it's that I only believe in subjective meaning so I think the lives of others are not my problem/business. They can do what they wish so long as they don't interfere with my personal purpose, and if they die I don't care because that's their problem
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Post by michael50210 on Jul 3, 2014 20:59:21 GMT
In accordance with your logic, I will thusly say: Won't miss you either.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Jul 3, 2014 21:01:02 GMT
What made you wish to post this?
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 21:05:43 GMT
I put it on another forum where people seemed to misunderstand my reasoning and I wanted it to be on here too
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Jul 3, 2014 21:07:17 GMT
K, Nietzsche.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Jul 3, 2014 21:07:18 GMT
Where else did you put it? I can see why people might misunderstand. What where they saying?
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 21:11:52 GMT
On the Bioware Forum. They were discussing whether pragmatism is subjective or not, then I said it was not and explained how I made decisions according to my goal. Then someone said that goal was meaningless so I replied that was my goal in game because the game gives me that goal but that irl I thought this
@cb-> Just because it's nihilism doesn't mean it's Nietzsche, his philosophy wasn't that and I disagree with him
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Jul 3, 2014 21:12:24 GMT
It was a generalization for effect.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Jul 3, 2014 21:15:21 GMT
Ahh, I see. Never spent long on the Bioware forums lol, is it worth my time? That being said, to have a goal is to have meaning. Something to strive for. To you, this is personal happiness and enjoyment. If a person adds to this goal, helping along the way, then they have meaning to you and thus importance. You care what happens to them. If they do not aid in the goal, then they have non meaning and thus no importance and so it doesn't matter one way or the other, to you, what happens to them. Understandable really.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 21:27:29 GMT
Basically I think there's no objective meaning, ie. human lives only have value because people say they do. But you can choose subjective meaning for things
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Jul 3, 2014 21:33:25 GMT
Human lives have the same value as any other living organism in reality. The purpose of which is purely biological, and as you say, chemically driven. To procreate and prolong the lifespan of the species as a whole. Value is not a wholly human concept, as even animals will value their young above other things. Cognitive reasoning allows us to see the value in certain things, tools to better access food or water, shelter to keep out the elements. Human like being 'sacred' however, is a different thing entirely. A human life certainly has value, depending on what it can be used for. But as you say, these added values are decided upon by humans themselves, using cognitive reasoning.
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Post by michael50210 on Jul 3, 2014 21:34:25 GMT
Basically I think there's no objective meaning, ie. human lives only have value because people say they do. But you can choose subjective meaning for things ...Nah too easy. |
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 21:36:37 GMT
No, objectively, no life has any value at all, nothing matters in the slightest until it's attributed a subjective value
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Jul 3, 2014 21:39:24 GMT
Objectively, nothing has any meaning. It's all just chemical processes, energy interactions. protons and neutrons, atoms.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Jul 3, 2014 21:48:17 GMT
Yes, that's it ^
Though like I said before, I think life is pretty cool because it's the universe experiencing itself
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