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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 3:12:09 GMT
Only to others who are stupid, though that seems to be everyone in that damn setting
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Apr 17, 2014 3:21:40 GMT
And everyone who fought against: Hitler Stalin Pol Pot
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 3:28:21 GMT
Those were the kind of assholes she would kill to maintain peace
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Apr 17, 2014 3:31:51 GMT
And they killed for peace too, their vision of the perfect peaceful world, I don't see the difference if the character is "killing everyone who is a threat to their vision of the perfect world and removing all choice and difference in people to ensure your way is the way things remain" if that was truly how she was she's no better than those assholes and is an even bigger bitch and asshole for it because she had the power to make a true difference and instead became what she claimed to be against in that case. A bitch tyrant no better than Hitler. If of course that is the case.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Apr 17, 2014 3:35:04 GMT
Point being a Tyrant's a tyrant no matter how you color them.
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Post by Knukails on Apr 17, 2014 3:36:46 GMT
It appears more like a story of power corrupting. She got the Demon moniker later in her regime. But yeah, at it's core it's her coming to bring the world to heel & the world fighting to keep her out of power.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Apr 17, 2014 3:43:12 GMT
Which was one of the things I mentioned earlier, her going crazy due to the combination of the sharingan and possibly becoming one with the god tree itself, which could explain the demon moniker. Either way her becoming a cold tyrant that people thought against would essentially make her the first in the cycle, not the brother with the Sharingan.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 4:15:53 GMT
If you kill to rule the world with some asshole vision sure, but if it's more like Renegade Reaper Shep then it's not villainy. It's saying, everyone be nice and live peacefully, and if someone wants to be a jerk then he dies. If someone like that had existed in our world, people like hitler and stalin would've been removed right away and never pulled the shit they did. Not really different from Naruto killing Madara to stop the war, just more preemptive
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Post by Knukails on Apr 17, 2014 4:21:30 GMT
If you kill to rule the world with some asshole vision sure, but if it's more like Renegade Reaper Shep then it's not villainy. It's saying, everyone be nice and live peacefully, and if someone wants to be a jerk then he dies. If someone like that had existed in our world, people like hitler and stalin would've been removed right away and never pulled the shit they did. Not really different from Naruto killing Madara to stop the war, just more preemptive In the end its Chaotic Freedom Vs. a Controlled Society.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 4:26:54 GMT
It's not control, it's freedom, you just kill those who fuck with it
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Post by Knukails on Apr 17, 2014 4:32:36 GMT
It's not control, it's freedom, you just kill those who fuck with it You kill those who do things you perceive as challenging your view. Of course people like Sadam, Pol Pot & Gadafi should be killed. Unfortunately for us, Hitler didn't have the grace to die in say 38. Had he died then we would view him as a great Statesman he was & not the mass murderer he became.
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Post by Knukails on Apr 17, 2014 4:40:33 GMT
Or like…the american revolution. Because we beat the largest empire in the world, other colonies started rebelling against their creators. By your view the western hemisphere should have been crushed because they were fucking with the system of Freedom.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 5:23:43 GMT
Killing people who start wars is what everyone does anyway, the only difference is with this method the wars don't really happen. Like if she had been there, the moment Tobi declared the 4th ninja war, she'd have killed him on the spot, and everyone who died since then would be alive right now
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Post by Knukails on Apr 17, 2014 5:35:56 GMT
Had she lived nothing would have changed, nothing new would have grown. Ridoku choose to essentially be the Prometheus for the world rather than hoard the power & rule though force like his mother. Its kinda like why the Green option in ME3 isn't that great. Sure with without that iron fist many Wars wouldn't have happened & many lives could have been spared. But it'd be a stagnant world.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Apr 17, 2014 8:08:11 GMT
Synthesis isn't like that at all. It's like the Control solution, there's one guardian of peace and there's no wars ever again. And it's not like tyranny or dictator ship because the guardian doesn't rule, it only protects.
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