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Post by shadowknight on Dec 8, 2013 1:23:19 GMT
it happens in longer debates sometimes. So the 850's arm was probably putting out at least equal force to the doors hydraulics right? Does that mean if he tried he'd put that much force into his blows? Or am I wrong in my thinking. If he was actively trying to Terminate a target, Does the 850 know what MCs armor is made of? If not he may not start out going for max strength. If so then yea, he would be going all out....if this resorts to hand to hand.
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Post by Knukails on Dec 8, 2013 1:25:35 GMT
it happens in longer debates sometimes. So the 850's arm was probably putting out at least equal force to the doors hydraulics right? Does that mean if he tried he'd put that much force into his blows? Or am I wrong in my thinking. If he was actively trying to Terminate a target, Does the 850 know what MCs armor is made of? If not he may not start out going for max strength. If so then yea, he would be going all out....if this resorts to hand to hand. I would expect the T to be very wary at first. Seeing as how MC's armor would be very alien to it.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Dec 8, 2013 1:25:50 GMT
well for cqc speed he seemed to be moving fairly quick in the bout with the T-X granted that's far from the same motions as a punch but that's the best we have I think. - Knukailsunless of course the 850 grabs him then punches, then all that force is going straight to MC's face, and seems like the 850 uses grabs fairly consistently in cqc.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Dec 8, 2013 1:26:19 GMT
Well for humans lifting/pushing strength (slow-twitch muscles) isn't the same as punching/kicking strength (fast-twitch muscles), dunno if terminators has different kinds of hydraulics (or whatever they have) though. Also the impact force of hits doesn't just depend of arm strength, the way you throw a punch (or a kick) is actually much more important. Which could be why Terminators don't punch targets, they're not flexible enough to throw proper punches.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Dec 8, 2013 1:26:43 GMT
As for does he know what the armors made of...wouldn't his hud be able to analyze that? Hasn't it done similar before?
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 8, 2013 1:28:27 GMT
the 850 weighs 440 pounds (200-kilogram). So Master Chief out weighs the 850 in his armor, out of his armor is a different story, but in his armor he has more weight.
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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Dec 8, 2013 1:30:54 GMT
Some research tells me MC is 280-something pounds out of armor and 995 in it.
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Post by Knukails on Dec 8, 2013 1:32:31 GMT
MugiwaraBlair - Yes, the most important thing about a strike is how you throw it. You can be the strongest guy in the room but if you cant throw a proper punch than whats the point. GuardianAngel1911-Admin - I meant more the materials. Most of chiefs armor is made from materials taken from planets far from earth. Not to mention the shield technologies own convoluted history.
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Post by Knukails on Dec 8, 2013 1:32:57 GMT
Some research tells me MC is 280-something pounds out of armor and 995 in it. That's about right.
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 8, 2013 1:33:04 GMT
As for does he know what the armors made of...wouldn't his hud be able to analyze that? Hasn't it done similar before? His hud should be able to, yes, I mean, the 800 from salvation was able to scan Marcus to see what he is made of/find a weak point (literally his heart), so yea.
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Post by SgCombine on Dec 8, 2013 1:35:41 GMT
As for does he know what the armors made of...wouldn't his hud be able to analyze that? Hasn't it done similar before? Would his scanner pick up the energy shield? I'm guessing it would because of the radiation emitting from it, but I don't know for sure. Since the Terminator only weighs half as much as Master Chief, his punches need to be much faster to make up for it. IIRC, the fastest human punch is around 15 m/s, Master Chief should be at least 5 times faster because of his armor alone, not taking his own super strength/speed into account.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Dec 8, 2013 1:36:59 GMT
@mugi in that case if he were to start pushing on MC's faceplate or chest like he was against the door only, down instead of up would that crush/break through the armor do you think? seems like the 850 wouldn't have trouble slamming MC down but would he be able to take advantage and take out MC with something that way?
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Post by shadowknight on Dec 8, 2013 1:38:23 GMT
MugiwaraBlair - Yes, the most important thing about a strike is how you throw it. You can be the strongest guy in the room but if you cant throw a proper punch than whats the point. GuardianAngel1911-Admin - I meant more the materials. Most of chiefs armor is made from materials taken from planets far from earth. Not to mention the shield technologies own convoluted history. As for what its made of, it never really goes into specifics. It uses words like "Hyper alloy" and what not. the only named metal that I can find is titanium, but it HAS to have more than just that. For the shields, how well do they block melee attacks?
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Post by Knukails on Dec 8, 2013 1:43:22 GMT
MugiwaraBlair - Yes, the most important thing about a strike is how you throw it. You can be the strongest guy in the room but if you cant throw a proper punch than whats the point. GuardianAngel1911-Admin - I meant more the materials. Most of chiefs armor is made from materials taken from planets far from earth. Not to mention the shield technologies own convoluted history. As for what its made of, it never really goes into specifics. It uses words like "Hyper alloy" and what not. the only named metal that I can find is titanium, but it HAS to have more than just that. For the shields, how well do they block melee attacks? The most extreme example of the top of my head is when fred took two or one full force hits from a brute before the shields fell. Even the Titanium is an advance version called Titanium-A, same kind they use for the ships i believe.
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Post by SgCombine on Dec 8, 2013 1:43:56 GMT
For the shields, how well do they block melee attacks? In First Strike, melee against shielded opponents was very difficult, Master Chief tried punching a shielded Elite and his own shielded fists slipped off the shields. If the Terminator doesn't hit Chief directly in the chest his fist will probably slide across the shields. *EDIT* To add to Knuks comment, it seems to depend on how large the thing that's hitting the shield is. Brutes have massive fists and supposedly hit harder than even Spartans. I think that's why their fists never slipped, but that's just my opinion.
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