Adolf Hitler vs Vladamir Lenin

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Today we have two of the most manipulative, infamous, hated people in history. Men who took over nations using speeches murder and underhanded tactics to manipulate desperate populations like marionettes.
Instead of a fight since it's not what either is known for:
Who was the biggest manipulator?
Who was the best Orator?
Who had the biggest impact not just on their generation and nation but the world as it is today?
Who was the best leader?
And lastly, If they were to switch what nations they started in would they still have been successful? Could Lenin have dominated a Post WW1 Germany, could Hitler take over Russia after the Tzar abdicated? Or would both have been dead or worse before they reached a political establishment.

[silverstarcross]

The last one is a very good question to ask, but all I recall on the latter is that Stalin sort of warped whatever bright ideas Lenin was attempting to gun for, actually.
Not that much, apart from Lenin sort of killing the Tzar's family after Rasputin the Seer became a moot point.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

@cross
focus on the discussion. Stalin doesn't matter. Focus on the mustachioed gentlemen in question.

[Knukails]

Hitler has this with a bullet. Lenin's USSR made big waves but Hitler was a tsunami created by a 8.5 earthquake.

[shadowknight]

First I say we get them in a room together Then..........