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Post by MugiwaraBlair on Mar 30, 2014 21:05:07 GMT
Some of them get one-shotted
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Mar 30, 2014 21:20:11 GMT
just to remind everyone if this debate is going to keep going.
loadouts are Stormies get E-11 Blaster Rifles, SE-14r light repeating blasters, 3 Thermal dets 3 concussion grenades and a Vibroknife each. Impies get a Lasgun, Laspistol, 3 frag grenades 3 krak grenades and IG combat knife each. Sparties get MA5D Individual Combat Weapon Systems, M6 Pistols, 3 M9 HE-DP Fragmentation grenades, 3 Napalm Grenades, and a combat knife each.
there's 100,000 on each side, spartans get 25,000 from each Spartan type, Stormtroopers are only the baseline Stormtrooper same with Imperial Guards, no vehicles, just the infantry.
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Mar 30, 2014 21:23:09 GMT
No one a simpsons fan then?
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Mar 30, 2014 21:40:38 GMT
is that from the newer episodes
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Post by Lady Ruliya on Mar 30, 2014 21:44:22 GMT
Nah, it's pretty old.
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Mar 30, 2014 21:45:20 GMT
oh wow...yeah I have gone way too long without watching the Simpsons....
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Post by Knukails on Apr 1, 2014 8:41:47 GMT
just to remind everyone if this debate is going to keep going. loadouts are Stormies get E-11 Blaster Rifles, SE-14r light repeating blasters, 3 Thermal dets 3 concussion grenades and a Vibroknife each. Impies get a Lasgun, Laspistol, 3 frag grenades 3 krak grenades and IG combat knife each. Sparties get MA5D Individual Combat Weapon Systems, M6 Pistols, 3 M9 HE-DP Fragmentation grenades, 3 Napalm Grenades, and a combat knife each. there's 100,000 on each side, spartans get 25,000 from each Spartan type, Stormtroopers are only the baseline Stormtrooper same with Imperial Guards, no vehicles, just the infantry. 25,000 S-I's, II's, III's & IV's? Thats a pretty strong army |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Apr 1, 2014 17:03:53 GMT
@knuks
yeah 25,000 S-I's, 25,000 S-II's, 25,000 S-III's, and 25,000 S-IV's as I recall we agreed that was the only way to work the Spartan side evenly.
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Post by Wolfboy on Nov 10, 2014 1:38:22 GMT
I'm gonna sound bias for this, but let me put it this way. The spartans. No matter what, would kick both sides asses. For one, the tech differences may be there, but this is PURE infantry so the spartans have an even bigger advantage due to both training, and super human upgrades that neither StormTroopers or Guardsman have. Troopers and Guardsman only have numbers, which, okay one spartan vs a squad of stormtroopers and guardsman...That spartan, be it generation 2 3 or 4 even. (Even if 4th generation SUCK ASS) would annihilate them. Spartan's may throw bullets, but what they lack in that they gain in everything else. They have titanium armor (which is power armor too btw!) Energy shields, cybernetics, training, and above all else, they do ANYTHING to win. I know this is sounding bias, but putting Spartan's in this really doesn't make it fair at all. At least Guardsman vs Stormtroopers it would be pretty rough fight, but again a spartan(s). The stormtroopers and guardsman would have a better chance if the Spartan is generation 3 or above, but it's still a very rough thing. In all honesty, there is more to add to the spartan's equipment standrad just as well. I mean, look just at the armor difference, not even the weapons shields or anything like. I mean, the armor the spartan uses is at least metal. The other two takes two rounds at max and I'd bet they'd go down. NOT to mention the weak parts of the armor like the non-full faced helps for the imperial guards, or the soft armor on both sides (Imperial and stormtrooper). Also sorry again if this does make me sound like a bias asshole, but, come on! It's an easy win to go to the spartans, sure tech's higher on the other two sides, but! That's only on the weapons they use, and the tech isn't even that higher anyways. Look at the spartan laser vs a lasrifle or the stormtroopers weapon. The spartan laser is a very, very, very, strong (Less ammo holding) version of that! In cannon fucking form! The MA5B-D Assault rifle also gives the spartan another edge for multiple reasons. 1:FULL, AUTO-MATIC! 2(And this is only to MA5B assault rifle):has SIXTY goddamn rounds in one magazine! 3:The ammo-types can be changed from normal, to hollow point, (Which in my opinion I do believe even that could pierce the shit armor the other two sides use.) or armor piercing, (Even explosive tipped if you can find ammo like that for said gun.) Actually, that goes for all the weapons in the spartan's arsenal, and not only that, but, if they did run out of ammo, they'd steal a weapon from a dead enemy, where the enemy isn't allowed to do that, well, imperial guards at the least can't. Not without going against some sort of glory honor thing.
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Post by CosmicBehemoth on Nov 15, 2014 6:53:12 GMT
Hooooooooh boy.
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Post by SgCombine on Nov 17, 2014 2:48:02 GMT
I'm gonna sound bias for this, but let me put it this way. The spartans. No matter what, would kick both sides asses. Come now, you can't expect to be taken seriously when make a comment like that without even assessing the scenario first. "No matter what" implies you think even a single Spartan could take on a million Guardsman or Stormies on an open field. No they don't, it's equal numbers. I can think of a few things Spartans would not do to win...
There's plenty more to add to the IG and Stormtroopers equipment as well, some of which is more than capable of putting down even a fully shielded Spartan. As it is, the Spartans won't have any trouble killing either Guardsmans or Stormtroopers with a 7.62mm to the lightly guarded/exposed neck/face. Besides, OP made it default weapons only, so no heavies/specials. Just because it's made of metal doesn't necessarily mean it's provides better protection. Try to remember, this is science fiction, there's plenty of things that have skin that provides better protection than any of these three future troopers here. To the torso? Nope, at least the Guardsman wouldn't. Even their Flak armor provides protection against stubbers, which is what they call small arms powder based projectile weapons (like the Spartans assault rifle). It takes at least a Heavy stubber to get past their Flak armor. This is a heavy stubber.  So no, the MA5D is not penetrating that in one or two hits max. Stormtrooper armor on the other hand seems thinner than Clone trooper armor, and that has been pierced by spears in Disney canon (Clone Wars episode, the episode where they were on the snow planet with primitives). Uhm... wat? You're comparing an anti-tank weapon to a common anti-infantry gun. *facepalm* Lasguns and Blasters have full auto as well... That's great, and completely irrelevant since the Spartans are using the MA5D in this scenario, which only has 32 rounds. None of the ammo types should be able to get past a Guardmans Flak armor. Though the Spartan IIs will go for headshots anyway so it doesn't change the outcome much, just that you're underestimating Flak armor >=( I don't recall the Spartans ever using explosive tipped rounds for their rifles and I have read all the Halo novels. Feel free to try to prove me wrong though. So you just arbitrarily decided the other side can't pick up weapons now? The IG isn't allowed to keep XENO weapons, they have no problem using fallen human weapons, not that they'll want to when they're carrying the best damn gun in this match. Most likely if they ever get to the point of running out of ammo, they'll retreat to a section of the city under their control and throw their guns in campfires to recharge it. With that said, I find it really, really odd that a total force of 300,000 foot soldiers are fighting in a city with no armor or air support. I suppose it's another one of those things that make it an advantage for the Spartans since they're Commandos and not frontline troopers like the IG and Stormtroopers, they specialize in guerrilla warfare and not having to worry about the big guns while sneak attacking in an urban environment is a plus. Not to mention most of their land vehicles are pretty pitiful compared to the other two factions. Another weird thing is that as far as I can tell, there's no officers on either of these three factions sides. Now this may not effect the Spartans too badly since they'll probably break up into small kill teams anyway, it's going to be absolute chaos (pun not intended, I assure you) for the IG especially, and the Stormtroopers probably won't be faring much better without leadership. There's a few other factions involved, but I'll probably get to that later. |
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Post by GuardianAngel1911-Admin on Nov 17, 2014 13:22:08 GMT
I specified EU on the first page (though the rest of that comment isn't relevant as the scenario evolved during the discussion to try and make this as fair as possible), I'm not sure how that affects the use of the spear thing in this match but just thought I'd mention it.
As to the lack of vehicles. It was an attempt to minimize outliers between the three sides.
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Post by Mandalore The Inheritor on Oct 27, 2016 19:29:02 GMT
The standard lasgun of the Imperial Guard essentially turns whatever it hits directly to plasma, resulting in a detonation. Imagine a small breaching charge going off on your chest. Stormtrooper armor defends surprisingly well against projectiles, with the odd exceptions such as bow-casters, but are useless against directed energy, such as plasma. The Lasgun has sheer power, the plasma rifle has ridiculous firing rates, and the E-11 is a mixture of both, not overly powerful or possessing of a ludicrously high firing rate.
Spartans have enormous armor advantages, as they essentially wear an APC into battle. Combined with lifelong training, personal energy shielding, and sheer physical strength, the IG and buckets might actually start working together to beat the Spartans.
Stormtrooper armor is resilient to slugs, But then again SW never seemed to have 7.62 Armor Piercing Full Metal Jacketed rounds at their disposal. Such rounds put nearly a ton of force onto an area the size of a fingernail.
IG armor has been noted to be almost completely immune to stubbers and autoguns (Orks dont count, they warp reality) , but given the fact that they don't wear full-face or even full body armor, it shouldn't prove too much of an issue.
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