Captain America vs Deathstroke

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Captain America from the Marvel Cinematic Universe today goes up against Deathstroke from the DC Live Action Universe 1.0 aka Arrow. Deathstroke has his normal super serum abilities for this match and both have their standard gear, Cap his shield and side arm and Deathstroke his swords and guns. Today they have a very..very special assignment from their bosses. Infiltrate the Hwasong Concentration Camp/Prison of North Korea, Cap's mission is to save a specific political prisoner and Deathstroke's is to kill that same political prisoner. After cutting twin bloody swaths through the North Korean Forces they meet up in front of the bullet proof solid metal cell door (for the sake of Deathstroke not being a spoilsport about the death match) both men know of each others reputations and both men will stop at nothing to accomplish their mission. Neither is allowed to leave a trace of their actions to be traced to their employers and they currently are looking in the eyes of a major trace. So will the star spangled Super Soldier be victorious, or the pay by the bullet Super Mercenary. The whole...now empty aside from prisoners prison is their playground anything they want to throw at each other, bash each other over the head with, shoot each other with, stab each other with, is fair game. So without further ado..let the games begin.

[Lowk]

This Deathstroke comes from Australia where tree randomly and naturally explode. not really a feat but still tree fucking explode where he lives.

Anyway durability/endurance wise I think Slade has Cap beat. Not only is miriku enahcned muscle density comparable to concrete
Felicity: "The way this arrowhead is bent It means our thief's muscle density is at least 120 pounds per cubic foot.
That's almost the same density as common concrete.
Your arrows may cut this guy, but they will not stop him."
but their enhanced stats and healing factor allow them to shrug of being shoot multiple times. In addition to enhanced durability Slade also where's armor.
The only way to put mirikuru down quickly is to do significant trauma that seems to either come from point blank explosives or go by zombie rule(headshot).


At about 10:59 you can see Slade casually shrugging of being shoot.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Well we know Cap is able to push a minimum ten ton bulldozer 50 yards(note the distance I got from marvel.wikia.com/Steven_Rogers_(Earth-199999) so arguable accuracy..) faster than Deathlok who did it in in..if I did the timer right while watching the video of it www.videoweed.es/file/68a28fbfa643b 5:15...but I used my cell phone stop watch and from contact with the actual red tackle dummy piece to when the Shield Agent hit's his timer is 00:00:15 and the miliseconds were 28 but long story short if the wiki is right he pushed it 50 yards in 15 seconds and Cap did that even faster..considering the statement not even close quite a bit faster..possibly 10 seconds? I don't know if that would count as not even close or not.
That said..I also don't know how to begin to calculate any of that into something useable so..*shrugs*

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

okay keep in mind I suck at stuff like this..
www.1728.org/velocity.htm using this velocity calculator I came out to roughly 3.048 meters per second (I'm assuming it's squared but not sure) if that is squared then when I did this www.smartconversion.com/unit_calculation/Force_calculator.aspx I did do it right which came out to Deathlok exerting (assuming a 10 metric ton bulldozer) 30480 Newtons of force on the bulldozer

now if I assume 10 seconds for Cap as opposed to Deathloks 15 then the meters per second becomes 4.572 meaning Cap exerted a minimum of 45720 Newtons of force on the bulldozer. I..don't know how that affects...anything though. But cap is able to exert a force of 45720 Newtons..maybe..if I was even close to right with any of this.

[Lowk]

So far all I've found is that the door mirakuru enhanced strength enough was to dent and take down a door that was reinforced titanium("The Scientist"). There also the matter of the type of industrial centrifuge Cyrus took can range in between 1200 pounds to 4 tons
www.acecentrifuges.net/industrial-centrifuges-739064.html
Although this was carrying where as the bulldozer feat seemed to be more on leg strength.
So on overall strength I think Cap is superior. However don't think it's in a manner that would overwhelm Slade in hand to hand.

Another thing on durability Roy was injected with the mirikuru as well and Slade Tanked a punch from him.

around 0:14
This is the same guy who was punching through stone, brick, and putting holes in shipping containers with his bare hands.

[Lowk]

I think Deathstroke should be able to dodge or catch the shield given that he's fast enough to deflect arrows

@2:39

And I don't recall movie verse sheild ever pulling off Comic like speeds.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

it hasn't really yet, but I don't think Cap would just throw the shield at another super soldier, keep in mind they do know of each others reps as super soldiers, after the Winter Soldier incident I think Cap will be more strategic with his shield throws to a degree, so Slade might have the shield coming from behind while Cap attacks from the front.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

The fight with Loki, who at the least is as strong as Cap (Cap's bulldozer feat being in the same ballpark as Sif's travel trailer kick and Sif being around the same tier as Loki roughly)


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Cap has casually sent full grown men flying


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Took out an elevator full of trained SHIELD personnel. One of these guys is Crossbones who in the comics at least is a serious threat. He also takes multiple blows from those tasers and seems minimally inconvenienced. Slices through the steel cable of the elevator with the shield. Now interesting fact that I looked into, so called "glass elevators" such as the one seen in here are actually made of clear polycarbonate which is 252 times stronger than glass, probably not uber impressive but more impressive than just breaking glass when he jumps through the uncracked area in one go. Clear polycarbonate has a tensile strength of 55-75..I'm not sure what any of this will mean for Cap's capabilities but whatever. He also survives that fall which..likely would have killed a lesser man if not at least horrendously injure


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Start of this video is the Quinjett vs Cap, which well it's Cap taking out a small fighter jet like craft with his Shield including ramming his shield into the metal at one point. 3:00 or so the multiple punches to the skull by Winter Soldier's robo arm


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At the start of the film, threw his shield at Batroc hard enough to embed it into the wall of the ship at the start of the video. After the initial ambus Batroc doesn't really land too many good hits on Cap before getting knocked a couple of feet by the shield at :48, even fighting defensively Cap seems to be controlling the fight to a degree, though he's clearly not hitting anywhere near his full force. 1:20 Cap gets serious and quickly ends Batroc


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Highway battle with Winter Soldier, the whole fight is good but notable feats include slamming Bucky into a truck hard enough to dent the door, Bucky cracking asphalt/concrete with his robofist which seriously adds to Cap's own durability


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The final battle between Cap and Winter Soldier, one impressive thing about this is the fact that unlike many instances of this kind of battle friend vs mind controlled/brainwashed friend Cap does not pull his punches, even after breaking Bucky's arm and with him desperately struggling to break free of Cap's hold and having flashbacks of Bucky he doesn't loosen his grip. It's an impressive show of his dedication to doing what he has to in order to complete the mission. As far as actual physical feats more durability from taking blows from the robo fist. Also if I remember right wasn't movie Bucky enhanced by a knock off SSS? If so this and the previous are a good showing of Cap vs another super soldier.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

also the having been shot four times one or two in the gut at the least and with said gunshot wounds lifting the multiton (probably about what 1-3 tons?) steel beam off of Bucky

[Lowk]

Aug 19, 2014 22:13:18 GMT GuardianAngel1911-Admin said:

it hasn't really yet, but I don't think Cap would just throw the shield at another super soldier, keep in mind they do know of each others reps as super soldiers, after the Winter Soldier incident I think Cap will be more strategic with his shield throws to a degree, so Slade might have the shield coming from behind while Cap attacks from the front.

Well he did throw it at superhuman a couple of times even before the Winter Soldier thing.
It's also mentioned that that senses are heightned by the drug which he displayed when he smelled the mine they had booby trapped. So it might be hard to slip an attack by them.
Canary tried to attack him from behind and failed
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MYBfbppa4M
@59 second
Also @1:08 displays his armor bulletproofness.

Besides the durability issue there's the healing factor. Slade was stabbed in the eye and mentioned in "Deathstroke" that after going down with the ship, cut down to the bone, and having swam miles he was keep alive and going by his healing factor. Even without the mirikuru Slade was no stranger to handling pain.
So it might take more then a hit from the shield to actually put Slade down yet alone kill him even if it does do some damage.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Oh no doubt, whoever wins this fight is going to come out looking like hell probably. I went over to the Cap vs Kahn match on FP, Cap's punch was calced at minimum of 5,860N not sure how many of those blows with the Shield in play Deathstroke can take to the face before he starts feeling it. What kind of point blank explosive did you mean when you said that earlier?

[Lowk]

Grenades, three actually. In "streets of fire" after repeated gunshot hadn't taken a guy down Officer Lance managed to drop three grenade at his feet to end him.
I don't think hit just a matter of how hard you hit but also if you can over come the healing factor. It's not wolverine level but wounds tend to be healed over in moments, which I guess why normal gunshot tend to be useless.
Even being stab through the head was only enough to knock Slade out for a bit and that could screw Cap over if he believe Slade is dead only for him to get back up a few minutes later heal and rejuvenated.

Some more Mirikuru enhanced feats
www.youtube.com/watch?v=nj3JLlxiVlU
@0:49-1:00

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

well if he gets the helmet off he might be able to pull a decap with the shield.

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

So Age of Ultron was good to Cap. The throwing a motorcycle at the jeep thing, throwing that Hydra Agent a dozen feet into the other two. His fights with the Ultron drones, and the magneto Shield control is a nifty little upgrade, and the...shield embedding itself into Ultron's chest thing even pre Vibranium upgrade is quite ugly for Deathstroke as well.

[Lowk]

Slade was fast enough to deflect bullets with a katana from a few meters away.