Cyttorak vs Khorne

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Truly an epic clash of bloodthirsty gods here today. In one corner, Cyttorak battle loving god and masster of the Crimson Dimension and the Juggernaut. In the other corner, Khorne battle loving god of the Chaos/Warp and master of many daemons and Chaos Space Marines, including his favored son Kharn.
Now aside from just a straight up got beat up fest (which may never end since both grow more powerful through war and conflict....) we'll also look at something else.

If given the chance whose mighty disciple would you rather be, Cyttoraks or Khornes? Whose disciples get the better perks, better abilities, etc.

[silverstarcross]

This kind of match is interesting, I remembered a long time ago trying to put a Wheel of Time vs Super Robot Wars-related match-up quite like this, except it focuses on what the disciples and pawns for both sides may have to offer rather than personal confrontation as well, in place of which one would you serve.

Going on what I recall, even the Blood Ravens Space Marines are not immune to the threats of winding up as Khornates, and while the Blood Ravens may not be the finest examples of who winds up being listed or who can avoid it*, the fact they get hit sort of makes this example personal really.

If you wanna go with the general levels, Kharn and his Primarch in Angron both wounded up with Khorne during the Horus Heresy.

I am mostly just citing out what I recall of the latter, not necessarily to take sides, as I confess I haven't heard too much about Cyttorak outside of 616-verse related matters.


1.) (Dawn of War 2: Retribution for examples!)

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

well since we're only dealing with 616 that's fine..
just discuss the stuff brought up in the OP.

[silverstarcross]

Fair enough.
I can't say I recall much on what Cyttorak's disciples have to offer, the Juggernaunt(as Cain Marko of course) aside.

I do however recall that Khorne has a blessing named in his honors, the latter already existed since Warhammer Fantasy and is codified outright in 40K.

In terms of what I can recall from the blessing in particular, Direct Offensive Supernatural Powers are generally hard-pressed to harm anyone covered by the blessings, really.

Does Cytoorak's disciples have a response to this?

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Juggernaut's the bar to look to for Cyttorak so look at the stuff from 616 Juggernaut

[Jockey]

Khorne stomps.
Omniversal lvl God >>>>> multiversal+ lvl God


The warp is the multi/omniverse(or is connected to them)
"The forms the live-things called Chaos, in their limited little ways of perceiving the omni-verse, swarmed and thrived in this infinite ocean of mind and emotion. The daemon moved with Stele. Waiting, waiting and watching for the moment when the thrashing and chattering of the quarry was at its peak. Only then would it strike, lapping up the absolute perfection of its fear, sinking in rending teeth, tearing it to soul- shreds."
Pg.106 Deus Sanguinius
“A miss indicates that the missile has left Warpspace at the wrong point – and this could be anywhere in any of the million universes.”
pg.37 Adeptus Titanicus
Thoughts can destroy or create thousands of universes in the warp
"Here in the Great Ocean, he could be whatever he wanted to be; nothing was forbidden and anything was possible.
Worlds flashed past him as he hurtled through the swelling tides of colour, light and dimensions without name. The roiling chaos of the aether was a playground for titanic forces, where entire universes could be created and destroyed with a random thought. How many trillions of potential lives were birthed and snuffed out just by thinking such things?"
Pg.712 A Thousand Sons

Chaos is older than time
All around him, he could hear the sounds of the future, of warfare and death. The thought that he shared the guilt of the destruction of the Emperor’s dream was the greatest shame and sorrow he had ever known.
An end to it all would be a blessed relief.
‘Oblivion,’ he whispered as he closed his eyes. ‘Do it. End me.’
The barriers in Fulgrim’s mind dropped and he felt the elation of a creature older than time as it poured into the void in his soul. No sooner had its touch claimed his flesh for its own than he knew he had made the worst mistake of his life.
Fulgrim screamed as he fought to keep it out, but it was already too late.
His consciousness was crushed into the dark, unused corners of his mind, forever to be a mute witness to the havoc wrought by his body’s new master.
One moment Fulgrim was a primarch, one of the Emperor’s Children, the next he was a thing of Chaos."
Pg.757 Fulgrim
"A terrible, ageless scream of frustration filled the chamber, echoing throughout all the realms of existence simultaneously as a creature older than time was thwarted in its ambitions."
Pg.619 Descent of Angels
"All I can tell you is that the warp is beyond the comprehension of you or I, and things exist in its fathomless depths that are older than time as we know it.’"
Pg.359 Battle For the Abyss

Schrodinger's Slaanesh/Chaos
That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the material universe. In the Warp, things are different, for the Immaterium is not bound by linear time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cause then effect. As his rival gods reckon it, Slannesh has always existed in the Warp, and yet has never existed at all
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 16
That is how events are viewed from the chronology of the real universe; in the Warp, things are different. The Realm of Chaos has no true time, and events do not occur in a strict sequence of cuase then effect. In essence, Slaanesh has always exsted in the Warp, and yet had never existed.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition, pg.7
The sheer mind-boggling impossibiliry of the Warp defies
explanation, and those who attempt to delve further into
understanding its ways inevitably slip into madness. Of the
little that is known is that Warp space does not conform to the
laws of physics as we know them.
-Warhamer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg. 144
It is a hurning ocean of chaos, raw emotion and madness given form, where the laws of physics, time and nature are meaningless concepts and nothing is as it seems.
-Warhammer 40k 4th Edition Rulebook pg. 122
In warp space there is no time, no distances, only a constantly flowing stream of immaterium.
-Battle Fleet Gothic Rulebook, pg. 85
It is a roiling, howling maelstorm of force and energy, utterly unpredictable and not subject to the rational laws and linear flow of time in the way that physical reality is.
-Horus Heresy Book 1: Betrayal, pg. 16
Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 6th Edition pg. 6
Beyond the boundaries of physical space, unrestricted by time or casuality, there is a dimension utterly incomprehensible to mortal minds.
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 4
Timeless and ever-shifting, this psychic visionscape is known as the Realm of Chaos
-Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6
The Realm of Chaos, also known as the Warp, the Immaterium or Warpspace, is a dimension parallel to our own, a universe devoid of matter and life, without laws of time and space.

--Codex: Chaos Daemons 5th Edition pg. 6
The Empy holding reality against Chaos consuming the universe throughout space time.
"His immense psychic powers envelop and protect Mankind across the entire galaxy. His consciousness wanders through Warp space, warring against the Daemons that inhabit it, keeping closed the doors between this world and the next.

If the Emperor fails then the Daemons of Chaos will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind and the stuff of Warp space will submerge the galaxy. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 5th Edition rulebook, pg.101
Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of
machinery, the Emperor's mind stretches out through space
and time - a light in a vast gulf of blackness.
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition Rulebook, pg.134
Outwardly, the Emperor is but a desiccated corpse, kept alive partly by the cyclopean, mystical machine of gold wrought by his own hand and partly by a will so powerful that it transcends the bounds of the blackened, shrivelled husk of his body. Physically fettered, chained atop mountainous banks of machinery, the Emperor’s mind stretches out through space and time – a light in a vast gulf of blackness. Should that spark of life ever be extinguished – should the Throne fail in its mysterious purpose – then Mankind would surely be lost.
-Warhammer 40k 7th Edition Rulebook
"Today, as for every day since that battle, the Emperor lives only by the immeasurable force of his supreme will. The stasis fields and psi-fusion reactors of the machine known as the Golden Throne preserve his broken and decayed body; his great mind endures inside a rotting carcass, kept alive by the mysteries of ancient technology. His immense psychic Powers reach out from the Golden Throne, enveloping and protecting Mankind across the enemy-strewn galaxy, a beacon of light in the malevolent darkness.

If the Emperor fails, then none will be able to stop the influx of the dark powers; ravenous and all-consurning Daemons will flood into the galaxy. Every living human will become a gateway for the destruction of Mankind. Reality as it is known will be subsumed by the stuff of Warp space - a realm of nightmares and cruel insanity where all life will end. There will be no physical matter. No space. No time. Only Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg.137
"Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 144
Daemons are destruction and anarchy incarnate and they lust after the flesh, blood and very souls of living creatures. They want only to destroy, to drag any living essence they can capture back to their shadowy realm, to obliterate the material universe and engulf it within Warp space.
-Warhammer 40k 7th Edition rulebook
"They are never sated. The abominations from the Warp will not rest untii they have consumed not just Mankind, but the universe as well. All will be ruin; all will be Chaos."
-Warhammer 40k 6th Edition rulebook, pg. 234

[GuardianAngel1911-Admin]

Omniversal? Impressive for a universe with only one universe and a hell dimension.
Of course that would imply that Khorne could casually universe bust, which if he is that powerful you should have no problem providing a feat of him destroying a universe.

[KennyC]

To be fair the most impressive feat for Khorne is apparently ability to destroy any planet of his choosing with a single slash of his axe no matter where the planet is. But because of the policy of never ever advancing the plot of Warhammer and a wide range of authors - its anybodies guess what exactly is Khorne's limits.

He basically goes anywhere from mid-high level Marvel god to truly omnipotent, depending on what sources you cite and theories you prescribe to.

[Geraldo]

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